An open letter to MANA | Hone Harawira
Posted on June 16, 2011 by admin in Korero, News[attention]We know that this issue has died down, but Hone felt that these issues needed to be addressed. Mauri ora![/attention]
Kia ora koutou katoa
I understand that my going to Destiny Church last week has offended some members of MANA, and that my attendance and speech have been seen as an endorsement of Destiny’s stance on homosexuality.
That is not so.
I value the broad support that MANA has attracted from all sectors of our society, and I owe it to everyone to explain things from my own point of view.
You see … like everyone else I have gay people in my whanau, and like everyone else I also have straight people in my whanau, and like everyone else I love them all.
I would sincerely hope that my attendance at the Destiny hui is not seen as an endorsement by either myself or MANA of the views held by Bishop Brian Tamaki and the Destiny Church, in the same way that I hope my attendance at the Mormon Stake Conference on Saturday is not seen as an endorsement of their more unsavoury racial practices of the recent past, or my attendance at an Anglican church service seen as an endorsement of their practice of stealing Maori land over the centuries.
But the fact is that, like all of you, I have whanau in these as well as other churches, and I don’t think we do ourselves any justice by saying we will talk to these ones but we won’t talk to those ones, and neither do I think it wise to reject your own whanau simply because of their faith.
My brother for example, has chosen one of the newer style religions which preaches an end to your past (including your Maori history), which really sucks as far as I’m concerned, but I still love my brother (and keep my fingers crossed that he will see the light some day!). But when his pastor asked me to help out at a function, I did so gladly because that was where my brother was at.
I can even recall my girl Te Whenua happily trotting off to Mormon services with her cousins every Sunday when she was little. In the end she stopped going of her own choice but if she’d chosen to become a Mormon I would have loved her just the same.
And at the risk of offending somebody else, let me say just quietly, that I enjoyed the speakers at the Mormon hui on Saturday night, because the values and the principles they talked about there were the same as those my grandparents raised us on.
So life is not black and white, but let’s get back to Destiny …
Destiny can be criticised for discriminating against people on the grounds of sexual orientation and often is by the mainstream media, but when was the last time you saw a programme on mainstream TV that congratulated Destiny for the work they do with guys the world wants to forget, or for families that social services are too scared to deal with?
I was asked to go and speak and I agreed because Destiny is where many of my people choose to meet and to share their faith. It is not my faith, but they are most certainly my people, and while I don’t subscribe to their philosophies, neither will I berate them in their own house for holding to them.
I didn’t go to Destiny to point out the rights and wrongs of their religion, or to question the rationale for their beliefs. I went to talk about values and principles, to talk about the potential of MANA, to talk about the importance of Maori standing up and speaking up for themselves, and to talk about the need for unity.
MANA is a new movement, and we owe it to everyone who wants to join, to present our kaupapa and to see whether or not there is common ground, and to date we have done so – students, kaumatua and kuia, socialists, marae, churches, iwi, unions, whanau and hapu, gangs, and kura kaupapa.
There will be those who want to leap in and go hard, those who can be encouraged to join, those who hang on the fringes and only commit when things are going well, and those who say yes to your face and vote for somebody else when you’re not looking. And there will be those with such deep political convictions that they won’t work with certain groups, and those with religious beliefs who won’t associate with others as well.
But MANA is still an emerging force, and nowhere near being so well-defined that we should be slamming doors on anyone at the moment. All I ask, from everyone, is a bit of lateral thinking while we search for an equilibrium that most of us can live with.
And don’t forget – the needs of those less fortunate than ourselves are our greatest priority, not who can and who can’t be in MANA. If we are to become a movement big enough and powerful enough to wrest control from the super rich so that our people might flourish, then we need to put our immediate focus on building the movement, not tearing it down.
Folks – I don’t know if this allays any fears that you may have about MANA and Destiny, but I hope it helps you understand where I am coming from, and where I hope MANA is heading in terms of building the movement.
Thank you for your concern, thank you for your understanding and thank you for your love.
“Ehara taku toa i te toa takitahi, engari takimano…”
Mine is not the strength of one alone, but the strength of many…
Hone
Merlene Shedlock says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 3:01 pmKia Ora Hone
Nicholas Mayne says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 3:26 pmKia ora.
I appreciate where you are coming from. We were right to attend because we need to build a unified movement to tackle relevant issues effecting all Maori and Working class people. Unity in the things that are important to this movement; while respecting people’s diversity in terms of things such as religion.
In light of that can you please stop attacking the Anglican Church every time you talk about this? I respect you rights to be suspicious of their historical motives. However I disagree that the missionaries of CMS brought land and assisted in the negotiation of the Treaty with any ill intentions; and you fail to acknowledge the huge efforts the church undertakes today to foster a partnership between Maori and Pakeha.
Ross Brighton says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 3:41 pmKia ora Hone –
Thanks heaps for writing this, it means a lot. And I totally agree with you, especially when you speak about other churches, and not disprespecting people for their beliefs, especially not in their house.
My main concern however was, as you say, that to me MANA is about the needs of those less fortunate than ourselves, which sadly includes so many of our takataapui whanau, and my concerns regarding Destiny stem both from personal experience with them, and with other evangelical movements – friends of mine being disowned by their families and kicked out on the streets for being who they are… we all know that homelessness and mental illness are huge problems in the queer community, and that homophobia causes a lot of damage, and I was scared that the percieved association with Destiny mights scare vulnerable people away form the movement, which could do such great work for the queer people of this country – and the greater population, no matter what their identity, creed or social class. Thank you for taking the time to write this, as I hope it will allay people’s fears, and perhaps this issue will help, by bringing takataapui issues into the light, so that everyone feels that they are heard and have a voice.
I for one still stand with you, and come November we will see some changes, and a better Aotearoa for all of us.
And good luck with the by-election, I’m rooting for you.
james mc donald says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 5:21 pmYouth and its fervent ideology.No doubt there are those that would see the capitalist against the wall,not in the capitalist sense.All exposure is good exposure for a political party at election time,albeit a Maori vote.And is that not a amazing thing to behold in a european dominated capitalist structure.
Reality and not txt book ideology, is what is important and winning.
Gwynn says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 5:32 pmHone, a lot of unsavoury movements do things to help less fortunate people, but that doesn’t make them any less unsavoury. In fact it possibly makes them more vile, as they parade out their charity work while disadvantaging other people.
Imagine if the National Front started running soup kitchens or trying to help the unfortunate. Would that suddenly absolve them of their racism? Of course it wouldn’t, and news agencies would rightly report on their discriminatory practices – and such is the same for Destiny. You can’t hide racism or discrimination by pulling out the wool of charity to hide it.
And neither can you pretend that Destiny is apolitical. Not only have they run candidates in the past, but they’re clearly seeking to support conservative candidates who agree with them. And while there’s certainly nothing wrong with them doing that, one can’t pretend that they’re not.
Teresa Cameron says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 5:33 pmThank you for this statement Hone, I appreciate your frankness and respect what you have shared here. Some fears, with regards to the direction of Mana, were raised through this visit but I feel you have dealt with them openly and fairly.
This is all part of the process and if you keep responding in such a manner I am sure we can feel comfortable to raise issues as they come up with the knowledge they will be addressed openly and honestly.
Thank you.
Rangitane Marsden says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 8:37 amNow thats a good example of why he’s a great politician, he never forgets anyone, and thats what a good shepherd does, glad the Awanui Anglican’s influenced him well in his thinking…kia ora Hone.
James Coughan says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 5:39 pmThe question, as I see it, is whether Mana is just another political party, with no more principled positions than an appeal to engagement with a vague promise for the better. If that is the case then surely it is open to Labour or National to claim that any concession in their policy to certain groups, say the Business Roundtable, or the Foreshore & Seabed mob, is necessary in order to engage. Why is it a matter of principle in one case, and a question of degree/trade off in another? On what ground of principle would Mana have to criticise any other political party of doing so?
Mate Tangitu says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 5:49 pmWonderful korero thanks Hone….I was one who criticised the way all the politicans praised Brian Tamaki for what he does for our Maori people – why did I do that? Because, when one gets down to the nitty gritty, a lot of his members are vulnerable due to their dysfunctional backgrounds, and their hype with the Holy Spirit is not there when they leave that environment, and also, the underlying issues are still within a person. Thank you for your korero….you’ve got my vote….you are sincere and genuine – Kia kaha!
Pare says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 7:49 pmKia Ora Hone for your openess and wise korero to us Mana followers..thank you and may HE’ who is SUPREME over us all keep you safe and strong watching over you ALWAYS, .AKE AKE ANO..
JK says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 8:12 pmFair enough. Many people don’t realise like many other evangelicals Bishop Brian is not only homophobic, he is also bigotted with regards to other faiths. Roman Catholics he considers to be non-Christians.
He seems to want Government (our) money, but is not prepared to acknowledge other people’s right to practice their faith or beliefs.
Fortunately Bishop Pompalier and other signitories sorted this out at Waitangi in the little known fourth article.
“E mea ana te Kawana ko nga whakapono katoa o Ingarani, o nga Weteriana, o Roma, me te ritenga Māori hoki e tiakina ngatahitia e ia”.
If Brian wants to invoke the Treaty: he can’t have it both ways.
Lisa says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 9:56 pmI, like Teresa, appreciate your honesty and just being frank with us regarding your visit to Destiny. I am certainly not a fan of the church or it’s believes but our support for Mana has in no way been affected and we still stand by you 100%.
Huia Huata says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 10:09 pmKia Ora Hone,
Ko koe te tino rangatira.
Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 11:06 pmhttp://atheism.about.com/b/2005/07/25/iran-gay-teens-executed-by-hanging.htm
There is always a problem when a minority gets picked on.
I know that being born gay happens in all species including man. It is a normal event, it just happens
The background radiations of all sorts now can affect DNA as well.
Hitler started his own religion by going back to old Norse Mythology and promoted the idea that gays should go into Concentration Camps.
The wicked irony is he was gay himself and had a type of gay around him called “butch gay’.
The Butch Gay formed a large brotherhood in the ‘Brown Shirts’ army and SS nazis.
The mass of gays left are ‘fem gay’ and law abiding and creative. – not destructive..
Fem gays can be hated by butch gays who might be ‘skinheads or far-right wing. and cruel.
A book ‘The Pink Swastika’ explains the difference
http://www.thepinkswastika.com/
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Swastika
Read those and decide if our mass media who serves us very very very badly has been taken over and run by butch gays.
It would explain why the softy men and hard hard women who run tv and front all the shows seem to push destruction of the family. and are chosen, cos they don’t care!
Watch for all the news reader men who flutters their eyelashes all the time and acts ‘different.’
The Crowd goes Wild’ has 2softies twittering away.
Sport is now a way to dumb us down and it takes up far far too much time.
Big Brother today is a Butch Gay?
Orwell had not thought of that in the book ’1984′ but I rely on the idea as explaining a lot!
http://bestpoet.com is my site and I would rather we had the fem gays running the tv again
Folk like Max Cryer and Pete Sinclair
Hilary Clinton, Condi Rice are hard types who love war. So?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1122858/posts
http://www.zimbio.com/Condoleezza+Rice/articles/13/How+Gay+is+Condi+Rice
http://bestpoet.com me banned by all butch-gay radio talkback hosts, for telling it like it is. And standing up for all the minorities!
http://evanscartoons.com my brother Malcolm Evans sacked from The NZ Herald for telling the truth in his cartoons! And standing up for all the minorities!
I proudly wear a Mana beanie, but with Green Party stickers cher!
Attiya Andrew says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 11:16 pmThanks for the explanation Hone but thats just the way it goes aye. We know where you’re at with your whakaaro etc etc re: what maori need
Dear Kingi says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 11:33 pmEXACTLY! Nga mihi aroha ki a koe a Hone..MANA Up whanau! There’s your STATEMENT! Now let US ALL MOVE and get OUR Whanau to the POLLS 25 June and VOTE MANA! Kia kaha Hone, kia maia, kia MANAwanui..Mauri ora!
Harvey Yeager says:
Post Author June 16, 2011 at 11:38 pmNicely Put. In fact very nicely put.. No place being prejudiced, because it just breeds more prejudice, and as you say not the time to ‘slam doors’..
Keep it up and you can be the Bishop of Mana, but probably no new Harley this year.
Pua Taikato says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 7:33 amWhew – brilliant explanation – not that I needed one because I see you all at Ratana too in January when we can be united and never expect to ‘jump ship’.
Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 9:58 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2PG1EJZ0Y&NR=1
We copy America constantly even to eating the junk food that causes the Diabetes epidemic.
Make no mistake , the Act National and Labour parties who never rail against the US junk food and drugs and obscene movies empire building, run in NZ by traitors (cf Vichy France in World War 2) to get a police state going, – well they are going to demand a Kiwi Patriot Act, and there goes our freedom completely.
Chuck away the Coca Cola and crisps and pizzas and fast foods guys, – they are designed to dumb us all down and make us too tired and obese to march..
2kg of ‘Jumbo Oats cost only $2.90 and no more not having enough money to feed your family!
And defend them!
This message is banned by all our loathsome traitor media, the ones that just give sport sport sport sport sport sport to a nation that can hardly waddle up to the TV switch.
You will know them on TV by their women’s hard hard stare and the guys keep fluttering their eyelashes – meaning “Please love me” cher heh heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLqSlCZ27e0&feature=related
Pray that this man becomes President Ron Paul
http://mana.net.nz
http://bestpoet.com
http://evanscartoons.com
http://www.greens.org.nz for info on the junk food
Kia kaha!
Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 10:47 amThe kiwi media surround Brian Evans’ house:
“Come out Brian with your Iambic Pentameters and poetry weapons – NOW!
Ooh look out! He’s got a rhyming couplet!
Brian’s poetry goes down, in a hail of media badly rhymed epithets fired,
by a crap-slam-poetry sniper, armed with a jingoistic haiku:
“Kill Brian’s powerful loaded sonnets!”
The world misses out and the censoring nazi kiwi media wins again!
And President Obama is going to shut down free speech on the internet.
…………..
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daniel says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 12:11 pmI wish i knew more about Hone’s stance’s and solutions to the state we are in but it seems to this NZ Pakeha that the Mainstream Media only publish reports of his promotion of Maori rights and not all NZ’s. The bias really effects general consensus that race is even an issue in this society. We need a focus on sustainability, transparency, no foreign interests and the wellbeing of our worst off citizens.
Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 12:33 pmAlex Jones is talking right now 12.12 pm to Greek lawyers about the bedlam and brawls as Greece tries to get Greece back from the 8 banking families, Goldman Sachs JP Morgan etc who put their own people into the Greek government
John Key is possibly because of his previous jobs doing the same game here
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James Coughan says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 12:54 pmThe question is whether Mana is just another political party with no more principled stance than appealing to the vague promise of engagement. If that is the case, then surely the door is open for Labour/National to claim concessions in their policy to, say, the business roundtable, or the brash mob, as necessary price to pay for ‘engagement’. Why is it a question of principle in one case, and a question of degree/trade-off in another case? On what ground then could Mana criticise other parties on matters of principle in the future?
Perhaps a more constructive sort of engagement is for Hone and Mana party to make a more explicit critique of the homophobic and other problematic tendencies of the Destiny Church, rather than evading the question. If the issue cannot be raised in their church out of respect, it can be pointed out elsewhere in the same way that Hone has not been shy, and rightly so, to point out the Anglican church’s role in the dispossession of Maori,
Brent says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 1:16 pmGood read. I support the position of being open to all views and inclusive, while still cementing ones own position…
ranga – to weave
tira – group/ people
RANGATIRA – a weaver of people!
Kia ora Hone and good luck with the elections!
James Coughan says:
Post Author June 17, 2011 at 9:06 pmseems the invitation for constructive engagement keeps getting lost in the mail. So here it is again:
The question is whether Mana is just another political party with nothing more than a vague promise of ‘engagement’. If that is the case then surely the door is open for Labour/National to claim that concessions in their policies to say the business roundtable, or the brash mob, are necessary costs of engagement. Why then is it a matter of principle in one case, and a question of degree/trade-off in another case? On what grounds then would Mana have in the future to criticise other parties on matters of principle?
Perhaps a better way of engagement would be a more explicit critique of Destiny Church’s homophobic views. If this cannot be done in their house of worship out of respect, it can be done elsewhere, in the same way that Hone is not shy, and quite rightly so, to point out that the role of the Anglican church in the dispossession of Maori.
Lucas Bishop says:
Post Author June 18, 2011 at 5:10 amDear Mr Harawira
The purpose of an elected official is to represent the views of those who elected him, if you go there and campaign for their votes they will expect you to represent their prejudice in your parliamentary voting, if you go there and campaign for there votes and then do not vote for what they elected you for you are a liar just like the other parties/politicians.
You can say you do not hold the same views until you are blue in the face, but when they mobilize to vote Mana they will own your soul, they will give you money and power but you will become nothing but a puppet.
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Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 20, 2011 at 10:28 am1st warning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-Qs5j1Chc&feature=related
Wake up America! (New Zealand) Still not convinced we’re in Martial law Part 1/2
A lot of Gung Ho seasoned Fallujah murdering brain-damaged ‘kill gemeration’ troops martial-lawing you. Martial Law Nazi Germany finally and we are busy copying America, under National , Labour and Act.
2nd warning Part 2/2
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Fallujah – The Hidden Massacre by these same murderous, brain-damaged troops:
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Ake ake ake Kia kaha, keep strong forever!
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Brian John Evans says:
Post Author June 23, 2011 at 10:09 amWe have got so far away from the land and proper food to fast food and packaged for-profit junk. The Greens try to blow a whistle of warning but hey they need some help from bigger lungs.
Vote Mana for brains and muscle And Green for um brains to get off these american drug-companies ‘so called medicines’
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Real People of the Land fighting side by side, literally for life and our children’s future…
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The Earth is OUR MOTHER! GOT IT NOW?
Sharing the Mana – Let’s go New Zealand
Ake ake ake Kia kaha